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Libertarians and the War

I saw this and had to repost it. Great article.

By RANDY E. BARNETT
July 17, 2007; Page A17

While the number of Americans who self-identify as "libertarian" remains small, a substantial proportion agree with the core stances of limited constitutional government in both the economic and social spheres -- what is sometimes called "economic conservatism" and "social liberalism." But if they watched the Republican presidential debate on May 15, many Americans might resist the libertarian label, because they now identify it with strident opposition to the war in Iraq, and perhaps even to the war against Islamic jihadists.

During that debate, the riveting exchange between Rudy Giuliani and Ron Paul about whether American foreign policy provoked the 9/11 attack raised the visibility of both candidates. When Mr. Paul, a libertarian, said that the 9/11 attack happened "because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years," Mr. Giuliani's retort -- that this was the first time he had heard that "we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq. . . . and I've heard some pretty absurd explanations for September 11" -- sparked a spontaneous ovation from the audience. It was an electrifying moment that allowed one to imagine Mr. Giuliani as a forceful, articulate president.

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The exchange also drew attention to Mr. Paul, who until then had been a rather marginal member of the 10-man Republican field. One striking feature of Mr. Paul's debate performance was his insistence on connecting his answer to almost every question put to him -- even friendly questions about taxes, spending and personal liberty -- to the war.

This raised the question: Does being a libertarian commit one to a particular stance toward the Iraq war? The simple answer is "no."

First and foremost, libertarians believe in robust rights of private property, freedom of contract, and restitution to victims of crime. They hold that these rights define true "liberty" and provide the boundaries within which individuals may pursue happiness by making their own free choices while living in close proximity to each other. Within these boundaries, individuals can actualize their potential while minimizing their interference with the pursuit of happiness by others.

When it comes to foreign policy, libertarians' severe skepticism of government planning in the domestic arena carries over to the government's ability to accomplish anything positive through foreign aid, whether economic or military -- a skepticism they share with most Americans. All libertarians, I suspect, oppose military conscription on principle, considering it involuntary servitude. To a libertarian, any effort at "nation building" seems to be just another form of central planning which, however well-motivated, is fraught with unintended consequences and the danger of blowback. And, like most everyone, libertarians oppose any war of aggression. In all these regards, Mr. Paul is a mainstream libertarian.

But like all libertarians, even Mr. Paul believes in the fundamental, individual right of self-defense, which is why libertarians like him overwhelmingly support the right to keep and bear arms. And most also believe that when the territory of the U.S. is attacked militarily, the government -- which claims a monopoly on providing for national defense and extracts billions of tax dollars for this purpose -- is justified in using the military in self-defense. For this reason, many libertarians (though not all) who now oppose the war in Iraq supported U.S. military actions against the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, which had aided and harbored the al Qaeda network that organized the 9/11 attack.

But here is the rub. While all libertarians accept the principle of self-defense, and most accept the role of the U.S. government in defending U.S. territory, libertarian first principles of individual rights and the rule of law tell us little about what constitutes appropriate and effective self-defense after an attack. Devising a military defense strategy is a matter of judgment or prudence about which reasonable libertarians may differ greatly.

Many libertarians, and perhaps most libertarian intellectuals, opposed the war in Iraq even before its inception. They believed Saddam's regime neither directly threatened the U.S. nor harbored or supported the terrorist network responsible for Sept. 11. They also feared the risk of harmful, unintended consequences. Some may also have believed that since the U.S. was not attacked by the government of Iraq, any such war was aggressive rather than defensive in nature.

Other libertarians, however, supported the war in Iraq because they viewed it as part of a larger war of self-defense against Islamic jihadists who were organizationally independent of any government. They viewed radical Islamic fundamentalism as resulting in part from the corrupt dictatorial regimes that inhabit the Middle East, which have effectively repressed indigenous democratic reformers. Although opposed to nation building generally, these libertarians believed that a strategy of fomenting democratic regimes in the Middle East, as was done in Germany and Japan after World War II, might well be the best way to take the fight to the enemy rather than solely trying to ward off the next attack.

Moreover, the pro-war libertarians believed there was "legal" cause to take military action against Saddam's regime -- from its manifold violations of the ceasefire to firing on American planes legally patrolling the "no fly" zone and its persistent refusals to cooperate with weapons inspections. Saddam's regime was left in power after its unprovoked invasion of Kuwait on these and other conditions that it repeatedly had violated, thereby legally justifying its removal by force if necessary. Better to be rid of Saddam and establish an ally in the war against Islamic jihadists in the heart of the Middle East, the argument goes, and then withdraw American troops.

Naturally, the libertarians who supported the war in Iraq are disappointed, though hardly shocked, that it was so badly executed. The Bush administration might be faulted, not so much for its initial errors which occur in any war against a determined foe who adjusts creatively to any preconceived central "plan," but for its dogged refusal to alter its approach -- and promptly replace its military commanders as President Lincoln did repeatedly -- when it became clear that its tactics were not working. This prolonged delay gave the enemy time to better organize its resistance and, perhaps most important, demoralized those Americans who had initially supported the war but who needed to see continued progress toward victory to maintain their support.

Still, there are those pro-invasion libertarians who are now following the progress of Operations Phantom Thunder and Arrowhead Ripper. They hope that the early signs of progress in this offensive will continue, so that American and Iraqi forces can achieve the military victory necessary to allow the Iraqi government to assume responsibility for protecting the Iraqi people from terrorists, as well as from religious sectarian violence. They hope this success will enable American soldiers to leave Iraq even before they leave Europe and Korea, and regain the early momentum that led, for example, to Libya's abandonment of its nuclear weapons program.

These libertarians are still rooting for success in Iraq because it would make Americans more safe, while defeat would greatly undermine the fight against those who declared war on the U.S. They are concerned that Americans may get the misleading impression that all libertarians oppose the Iraq war -- as Ron Paul does -- and even that libertarianism itself dictates opposition to this war. It would be a shame if this misinterpretation inhibited a wider acceptance of the libertarian principles that would promote the general welfare of the American people.

Mr. Barnett is professor of law at Georgetown University and author of "The Structure of Liberty: Justice and the Rule of Law" (Oxford University Press, 1998).

A Great American

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Retired Gen. Wayne Downing Dies at 67

From - The Associated Press

PEORIA, Ill. - Retired Gen. Wayne Downing, one of President Bush's key counterterrorism advisers after the Sept. 11 attacks, died Wednesday, a coroner said. He was 67.

The four-star general was admitted to the hospital Monday, suffering from bacterial meningitis and multiple myeloma, a form of cancer, Peoria County Coroner Johnna Ingersoll said.

The West Point graduate retired in 1996 after 34 years in the military, ending his career as head of all U.S. special operations forces. He commanded more than 47,000 soldiers, including the Army's Green Berets and Navy's SEALs.

He was pulled from retirement after terrorists attacked the World Trade Center and Pentagon in 2001 and appointed by President Bush as national director and deputy national security adviser for combatting terrorism.

He had also been tapped in his retirement to lead a 40-person presidential task force that investigated a 1996 attack that killed 19 Americans at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia, making recommendations on how to better protect Americans abroad.

Downing "served this country well for many years in the military and at the White House, and even after government service continued to provide important advice and counsel," White House spokesman Tony Snow said.

During Operation Desert Storm in 1991, Downing commanded a joint task force of 1,200 U.S. special forces that halted Iraq's SCUD missile attacks on Israel and eased overall missile threats in the war zone.

Downing, a military analyst for MSNBC, received the U.S. Military Academy's distinguished graduate award in 2006.

"His reputation was that of a smart, decisive, forceful and caring leader, known in particular for his unwavering determination to accomplish any mission assigned and provide his soldiers the best possible support," the academy wrote in bestowing the honor.

ADD Rumblings No. 715

For the life of me I can't understand David Hasselhof. How does this guy get any air time is beyond me.

http://www.mielvisfest.org/ is great cheesy Americana that I highly recommend to everyone. Pop culture importance.

Tired of politicians saying that they want to get out of Iraq. Well no kidding, no one wants to stay there. The neocons were right about having a democracy there, just the way they went about it I don't agree with. I don't agree that we needed to take most of the money out of Afghanistan and put in rebuilding Iraq. I understand the reality of things, but I don't care for the way things are being done.

Tim Russert bugs the hell out of me. He has a right to lean to the left on his opinions, but it would be nice to have a host who doesn't really care one way or the other. He isn't as bad as Chris Matthews of course.

I still can't get into reality TV. I do enjoy Gene Simmons family jewels, because he has always interested me. He's a marketing genius and I love that stuff.

Someone mentioned that the most underrated vegetable ever is the POLK. I've never heard of this, have you?

I am very happy to see Ron Paul increase his popularity. The Ron Paul Revolution is well underway. It's a testament to the attitudes of the population towards the current status quo. We are just sick and tired of it all.

While I usually agree with Ann Coulter, I do not care for her smug attitude. I think it works against her. If she were less angry, then her truth would resonate more.

Giuliani is a tool. John McCain is a socialist. Romney is a puppet.

Hey did you see John Edwards talking to Hilary about getting rid of some of the other democratic speakers on debates and speeches. Nice little alliance they got going there.

Nancy Pelosi supports illegal immigration amnesty. Remember that. Her, McCain and Kennedy.

Would anyone really care about British Royalty if it wasn't shoved down our throats on every newscast? I could care less about it..and I don't want to know about it. It is a complete waste of time, that somehow curtails to the soap opera and People magazine crowd indicating some sort of romantic time. Hogwash! Screw the royals.

Dirty Jobs is a good show. I like it better than Myth Busters.

Petra Nemcova hot. You know you don't disagree.

Hillary Clinton leading with 42% of democratic polls is super scary. Who in their right frame of mind would vote for this witch? Our enemy is more than just Al Qaeda. It's the stupidity of your neighbor that thinks Clinton is going to help us.

I have a man crush on Gary Sheffield. I shall get a Chef hat.

Ron Paul has the most youtube and myspace subscribers than any other politician. The news will say well it's just Internet people. Oh really? What somehow Internet people don't vote and don't have a say? Join the revolution and take this country back - limited government, less taxes, and more economic and fiscal freedom in your pocket.

I love Niagara Falls. I don't care for Clifton street with all the hoakie waste of time tourist trap places. But I love the natural wonder of the falls...the water, the depth, the history, the power, and the force. It just blows me away.

I fear when cooking on the grill...that the gas will run out. This just happened to me!!
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