Love your posts, I find them interesting and entertaining
This was a discussion I had to a post where someone was praising the Health Care plan. I've changed the names to protect the stupid.
Thank you President Obama for not allowing the nay sayers block your intentions for good. God continue to walk with and guide you. Change is uncomfortable, uncomfortable may be good for some of us to get up off our butts. Hey I am not political, I am for God and I believe that God is with Mr. Obama.
What? Are you telling me God lied to me? He told me he wasn't with Obama. He was with those who choose freedom and liberty...not a tyrannical state. I'm confused now.
Thank you Hockey Dino...WILL America be "free" to our future generations ?? We must now be willing to "band together" in THIS country to defend our constitutional rights that our founders fought for, so we could live THIS way--what are we leaving for OUR future generations/ancestors ??
A revolution is a good thing. I'm ready.
I can appreciate the optimism Melanie...but "uncomfortable" can also be the beginning of bigger problems...you can call people naysayors, but sometimes experience and caution count...the way they are planning to pay for this is not going to cover the cost...
I hear u, again not political just saying the old way wasn't working either
What old way? My healthcare is great. And I won't get arrested should I choose to get rid of it.
My healthcare costs my employer THOUSANDS of dollars a year, Healthcare COSTS are bankrupting companies. People are losing their jobs because of this. It's a fact. If we can send money at the drop of a hat to any country that asks, we surely can take care of Americans. I wish I had the answers. All I can say is I NEVER want to see someone I love dying and worrying about their medical bill.
The biggest problem with this bill is that it has NO curbs on insurance cost...none. They were removed from the bill. The insurance will be required by everyone (or pay a fine if you choose not to have it) but the insurance companies can raise rates at will. The scariest part of this is that there is no limit to how much we will have to pay into this...
Sorry all, didn't mean to start anything. I made a point of stating This was not political for me. It is about not allowing any american to be without healthcare. Regardless of everyones personal opinion, this is not a "All about me" thing. It is time for change, God is about loving and taking care of one another. And the constitution needs to be be reformed, How old is it? Look there will always be those who abuse things. but for the most part, the ppl who will benefit have or do work and have paid into the system (i.e. our grandparents). Get over yourselfs, think about others. And the old system (gov./pres) didn't raise your taxes? Yes he did.
Aww, Melanie, I get what you're saying and for the most part, I DO AGREE. I just don't think that the plan as written will do much more than raise costs. But hopefuly, it will change as it's looked over.
We have been without health care ins. since fall 2007, when hubby was "laid off"-he is STILL unemployed and job avalability does NOT look good. The fact that we will not be "allowed" to be without it sounds controlling - we cannot pay for it, so fine or no fine -we won't be buying it -or paying a bill (fine) for it --so it is not something that will "help" us.
If all americans-including the government employess were to use this universal plan, i would like it better. One thing that upsets me is- when you get to age 65 you have to take death planning classes every 5 years till you die- I'm so tempted to move to an island somewhere, the socialistic bent this country is taking is making me feel Chinese.
I agree with Kimberly
I SUPPORT PRESIDENT OBAMA AND HEALTH CARE REFORM!
I would never support the Health Care form that has just passed. It's a complete joke and anyone who supports it, support fascim and the loss of freedom. This is beyond being a democrat or republican. It's truly anti-American.
Melanie I dont understand how you can say you are not political yet go on to endorse a politican, then voice your opinion about his policy. It's a hypocritical statement. Everyone is political and everything is political.
When 60% of the population is opposed to this, one might to wonder what the heck is going on
Hockey Dino u said it all when u said your health ins. is great, what about all the Americans (myself included) who don't have health care, who are out of work, and looking at not being able to get a job, because there isn't any, and put in my age (53) who is going to hire me because of my age because of the health care system that is in place now either won't insure me or at a cost no employer wants to pay something has to be done and what Obama has done is a start in the right direction, no it is not perfect but it is a start, why shouldn't all Americans not have to worry about not being able to go to a doctor or hospital without the fear of not being able to pay, or being turned away because u don't have any insurance, the first thing any doctor office, or hospital will ask is what insurance do you have, and when u say u don't, the next question is "how are you going to pay for this" Or if u do have insurance (which I did have, up until I got laid off) that they won't pay because it is a pre-existing condition, or to have a child born with a illness, that they say is pre-existing and will not insure them, or u used all of your life long allotment, what then? You are lucky that your healthcare is great, but most aren't, and this is the change Obama wants to make. Healthcare should be a right, not judged on what u can pay, or if you happen to have a employer that can afford to pay the outrageous premiums that healh insurance companies now charge. We are talking about life here, and is my life any less important then the man who can afford to pay the high premiums? In the long run this will be a good thing, I disagree with the fact that people will get fined if they don't have insurance but the same happens if you don't have car insurance, so what's the difference?
Yesterday at 6:21pmDebbie Manausa Just want to add: I love my country, but I love my fellow Americans more, and no person should not be able to have health care
Darklen I am not bragging about my healthcare...it may or may not be good. I have no problem with it...other than it's too expensive.
My point is, if healthcare is desired by all (and that's not the case), then cost should be driven down by the free market, not government intervention which fines and arrests people. Reform is needed, but this is nothing more than corporatism by FORCE. that's nothing to be proud of.
We are going about it the wrong way.
wow did not know this would bring on such a response. I value each opinion. I must clear up this one thing, I did not make a hypocritical statement. I did not say I endorse a politician I said I endorse his decision to make healthcare available to every american. So you see my thoughts and concerns are every american being healthy and that is the bottom line. If 60% of the population is opposed to this, then I pray for them. That they will maintain the coverage they have now. That they are able to keep the jobs they have now. Nothing is guarenteed. As a retired nurse of 17yrs, as someone who had a substanstial savings which was gone in 16months because I was suddenly hit with a terminal illness and had no health coverage, because it hadn't kicked in yet and then couldn't get coverage because of my diagnosis. I have first hand experience. Now what most of you do not believe or realize is that you are one pay check away from possibly being in the same situation. That great healthcare you have now, would be oh so glad to cut you off at the drop of a dime. I truly pray you don't have to experience this for yourself or a family member. May you all be blessed, healthy and safe. May you be more thoughtful of others as this the way Jesus taught us to be.
We Agree to Disagree. And then Hopefully we pray for one another.
We are all expressions of GOD. GOD is with all of us.
No no no...Agreeing to disagree is unaceptable in any forum. It's a complete copout. You agreeing with his decision is worse than being a hypocrite (I'm not calling you a hypocrite by the way...I accept your clarification thank you).
If you want American's to be healthy, that's great. However you re going about it the wrong way. This will put more people out of jobs than ever before, and put us further into debt. Look at the numbers...it's all there. If the Dems looked at it, they wouldnt have passed it either. They though just passed it to pass it disregarding the ramifications. Not to mention they are exempt from the plan (Red Flag!) themselves.
Healthcare is a mess, but you don't fix it by throwing fire on it. It can't work.
Thanx for clarification
the problem is the free market will not bring down prices, they will continue to raise prices which has been the case for a long while now, so who should police them? Free enterprise has over stepped their bounds by makeing their prices to high for the average person to afford, and how much of that payment is for services, or to line their own pockets? I'm not saying that you should not be able to make a profit on what u are selling, but come on, a profit should not be made at the expense of others, as I said before is one life more important then another? Or if you pay for a service for 10 years, never useing it, and in the tenth year you come down with something and you get cancelled, where did your ten years worth of money you sent them go. You'd be better off putting that money away for a rainy day, and pay cash for that operation, that is what this "Health Care Reform" is about
We dont have a free market. We have a mixed economy. Instead of leaning towards that, we went in the opposite direction against the will of the people.
Corporatism is what we have; which is essentially now fascism. The
profiteers of this mess become now more profitable at the expense of the middle and working class. The small business, gets hosed.
Tghanx for the info
Michelle from your brother in the lord. As children of God we are like pilgrims passing through this life, looking to graduate into heaven once our assignments hear on earth is up. When your focus is on worldly issues thats the way you will react, but when your focus is on spiritual things of God the worldly things around us will not affect us let me reword that, they will affect you but not consume you, in other words what ever happens God will give us the strength and peace needed to make it through what ever is decided on capital hill. Continue to love everyone the way that you do and God is taking care of the rest. This is not a debate Michelle you dont have to defend whats going on in this world, remember all this stuff is already written. The word of God says that every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. I have health insurance also, and i also know it can be taken away from me at any time, but i also know that God is taking care of me not my health insurance. Obama is a man like all the previous presidents not my savoir, dont get me wrong it is historical and a blessing to have him in the white house but i dont depend nor live my life worrying about what Obama and the white house is doing, they can only do what God is allowing. Michelle i love you my sister, keep doing what you are doing until the promise to us returns and get his bride. This is not a debate i will not comment again, this is totally where my faith is, in the lord Jesus Christ system, not the health care system and what goes on on capital hill. Remember man will fail you everytime, but God will always take care of you. Much love to everyone reading this, with the love of the Lord Jesus Christ ! ! !
Someone get me the glue that Labron is sniffing.
Larry just wanted to say I love you for the man of god that you are and so appreciate your ministry in this world
P.S. Hockey Dino, you definately should get some of God (what Larry has).
Hockey Dino My life is filled with God...I just don't sniff glue or hide behind things. I deal with reality.
If your life was filled with God you wouldn't throw unnecessary insults at people. I am a man of God,,,BUT don't get that confused with being weak at all ! I don't believe I know you or you know me. Be a real man about the situation and quit throwing insults on FB. Real men talk like men, they don't throw childish insults.
10 hours ago. Oh by the way I still love with the love of the lord. Real talk Mr. Dino!
Hockey Dino I wasn't insulting, I was clearly under the impression you sniff glue. That's not the case? They why all the boring pointless talk that has nothing to do with the topic? I'm very confused.
I see now its no talking to you, you still got something smart to say about me sniffing glue. It is a blessing I don't know who you are. I'm done with this.
I would love to talk...but everything is a bible verse to you. It is boring.
Can you have any discourse about this travesty of a bill without mentioning God? If so...bring it.
I have nothing else to speak to a person that says speaking of the bible is boring. If I recall I was speaking to Melanie from the very beginning, I don't even know you, besides the bible says to cast not your pearls among the swine. You have been rebuked !
Still LOVE you Larry, You are oh so right, Those who do not know God, or the wisdom, intelligence to recognize that it is ALL about him. Every breath, every sight, sound every single moment of everyday. Everything that have breath...well you do understand so I need not go on. And this was my whole point from the beggining. GOD is in control and all will be revealed, for it is already written. I do not know this person which has chosen to turn from the truth. I do know you. And again, am thankful to share in this truth we know. God continue to poor his blessings upon you.
I love you to my dear sister Melanie, be blessed !
The bible isnt boring, you talking about it sure is. As if it were something new or interesting...it's not.
Hide from the truth much?
Be gone Satan!
Be gone Satan!